Similarly, in the book of Exodus, God tells Moses to construct the tabernacle. God saved His faithful servant and washed the earth clean. think you that thousands of bibles did not exist before you found this one? Why didnt God call those offspring giants? While rock giants are absent from the Book of Genesis, the Book of Enoch might shed light on their identity. p. 43 And Semjz, who was their leader, said unto them: I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin. 4. The fact that the Dead Sea Scroll fragment of the Book of Giants lists the name of Gilgamesh as being a giant is an indication (at least to me) that this was probably taken froman old source. Edited by Anita Badejo and Marc Georges. And now swim in joy, (erelong to swim at large) and laugh; And by then it was too late. 22:30. You continue to intimate that we arrive at greater truth by mixing mans mythology with the clearly stated words of Christ, eg: .. not until 1 Enoch 6 was written a few centuries before Christ were informed that this was the case.. This movie was little more than the cinematic equivalent of a bad midrash directed by a very foolish man. Did that event recorded in the Bible really happen? How did Noah trust God? Epic fail. No upper or lower case highlighting, no sentence or paragraphing structure indicating beginnings & endings of distinct topics in those early languages, it was context that fixed the start/finish points. Returning to our earlier question: Who are the rock giants in Noah the movie? being studiously accurate is not condescending & most especially not venomous. So why do people think this one could mean fallen angel? As far as I know Paul D., the account in Genesis 6 is not explicitly stated that the sons of Elohim copulated with the daughters of men, not until 1 Enoch 6 was written a few centuries before Christ were informed that this was the case. What are you talking about? The only option that led to life was on the ark and they all gave it a pass. Making them out to be hard done by and or the Saviors. Where in Gen 6 is it stated that the sons of elohiym originated from anywhere in all of Elohiyms creation other than planet earth? Also, notice each period ends with a time or item of blessing. President Spencer W. Kimball explained that when Noah built the ark, "there was no evidence of rain and flood. What I meant to say in my previous comment is that it is the flora of post-glacier Europe that supports the fauna that the sons of Adam hunt. There is no example you can show me from scripture that angels can of their own volition become humanoid & magically generate male appendages capable of manufacturing sperm, yet this is the fiction you & the movie promote. My advice ENJOY! God sent a wind, then for 150 days the water steadily went down. In biblical accounts, the flood was caused by God's wrath and lasted for 40 days and 40 nights. The information below is from Nave's Topical Bible. Easter is celebrated after 40 days. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless CHAPTER VIII. One of the best-preserved and most elaborate scenes comes from the site of Mopsuestia, Turkey, where dozens of animals surround an open chest with four legs (see image above). Contact Us. As for the church father Jerome, to whom we credit for translating the biblical canon into Latin, perhaps he and other church fathers had a vested interest in excluding this book. The Pharisees did not like Jesus questioning their authority over scripture & obviously you do not like my approach at getting at the truth, you are simply taking my approach as a challenge to your self perceived authority, get over yourself. Above the lid is depicted a dove, bearing an olive branch, and a raven (Genesis 8:612). Its all happy. These actions trigger the flood. Noah was off to a new start with his family and a heap of animals that fared a lot better than live trading sheep bound for the Middle East. The ark drifted for 150 days. [paragraph continues] Im not going to get deep on this conversation, but would like to put my 2 cents worth in. Noah added to those scrolls the account of the flood, he gave those updated scrolls to Shem who in turn passed them through unbroken lineage to Abraham from which reference is made in Jude :14-16, are not these also the warning messages Noah was delivering to pre-flood mankind if they did not repent? Apparently,the late Paleolithic Egyptians posessed neither, although our evidence shows that they made an extraordinarily early attempt at domestication, and that its failure was accompanied by some rather traumatic side effects. During the Flood. Many cultures have flood stories. That stuff is the material from which mythology is derived. CHAPTER IX. though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the childrenof men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. Referring to your above post. All this inside the first six chapters of Genesis. The Lord commanded Noah to build an ark in which his family and "every living thing of all flesh" (Genesis 6:19) were saved from the Flood. The water was so deep it covered the tops of the mountains by more than 20 feet. Noahs life was hard nothing happy about building an ark middle of nowhere. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Enochs father was Jared, whose name means go down and it was believed that it was during his generation when the watchers descended. The sons of God were humans. 1. This is an epic storyone that fascinates everyone. Dig into the illuminating world of the Bible with a BAS All-Access membership. think you the creator has no more light? p. 39 God informed Noah that He planned to end sin by killing all the sinners through an enormous flood as judgment on sinners. That is not inventible by human minds.Triune, dual nature, logically impossible, no real God is similar to anything we can imagine. Im not going to do all the work here, learn to use a concordance, its a healthy exercise for a healthy spiritual life. It is my opinion that it is from these and other Horites (Kharu in Egyptian records) that the Hebrews received the Mesopotamian sources for the Genesis narrative, but changed them to suit their unique way of life, Mount Ararat is distinct from the Mesopotamian versions and its a reference to the kingdom Urartu which spoke Hurrian. And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon the world of ungodly people.. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Thank you very much. CHAPTER VI. Outside the agents of chaos are searching for him, whose boss is a demon incarnate and who has a fetish for not allowing his supbordinates to have a conscience, or think about the workings of things. This is not unlike the Dead Sea Scrolls with the war of the sons of light against the sons of dakness, the latter under the direction of the demon Belial, which means lawlessness. Oh well. The Blasphemous movie was Satans way of twisting the truth of scripture and making the ignorant feel some sort of sympathy toward the Demons. 20. ONLY reliable source. Ezekiel, chapter 1 is a great example of that. Noah obeyed God's commands and built . Its Winters Tale and it was published in 1984 and now 30 years later the film based on the novel came out like the beginning of the book of Ezekial; It happened in the thirtieth year when I was in the community of exiles by the Chebar Canal, the heavens opened and I saw visions of Elohim.. 9. Therefore, if Noah was born 1,056 years after creation and the flood started when he was 600 years old, and the ark took approximately a year to build (see below, then he was 1,655 years old when he began building the ark and 1,656 . 21. I have been studying the Bible in depth; with various translations and original languages, for nearly 30yrs. Lets hope Ridley Scott can keep from killing his Exodus movie. God tells Noah to build the ark. Such a disappointment. And they all answered Author of Miriamne the Magdala-The First Chapter in the Yeshua and Miri Novel Series and Content Creator for The Miriamne Page, For more information on this novel series, and The Miriamne Page, just click on this link: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miriamne-the-Magdala-First-in-the-Series-of-the-Yeshua-Miri-Novels/206903979347028, the Watchers were not fallen until they made a conscious consensus decision to enter into the human evolutionary journey, as a delegation of Angels assigned to Earth as Watchers, they forsook their First Estate, and entered permanently into the stream of the human story, (genomic); by relinquishing their immortality, and status in Heaven (which they discovered was a consequence of their concensus disobedient action, so then they petitioned Enoch for intervention, mediation with God) the Watchers decision, was lead by Azazel, who was a doubter of Gods sovereingty over the Earths evolution, and who became attracted to the desired human experience the will (of disobedience), towards satiating a physical desire for this activity created the distortion of the outcomeas apposed to an immaculate desire that also produced its own results; (also genomic); much later in the human story. That the Ark Encounter in Kentucky is a farce? Sign up to receive our email newsletter and never miss an update. However, there is no clear instruction that Noah had to build the ark himself. In Noah's day grace came in the shape of an Ark. Wallis Budge, p.74). But Gene, you continue to miss the most important issue concerning all this conjecture contained in the Noah movie. Answer (1 of 13): 40 was used in the OT to mean "a lot". Nobody cared. Centuries after Noah lived Jesus spoke of him. by the same priestly authors who composed the 1st chapter of Genesis. Why should anyone who is a student of the original languages of the Bible care anything about what the paraphrase states? It is falsely ascribed to Enoch. The important thing is Jesus Christ died, rose again, and Has given eternal life to those who have put their faith in Him. Calculations suggest that the first stars to form, out of hydrogen and helium produced in the Big Bang, would be 100 times as massive as the Sun and would rapidly explode, scattering heavier elements like oxygen, carbon, nitrogen and iron the stuff of planets and life into space to serve as material for a new generation of stars. Both works are an artistic interpretation of the original story, retold in order to appeal to a modern audience. Combine a one-year tablet and print subscription to BAR with membership in the BAS Library to start your journey into the ancient past today! So it wouldnt be necessarily out of context if I were to frame the term it came to pass as refering to a generation like those who were raised during the Great Depression when they couldnt have anything but produced the iconic image of Rosie the Rivetter and would signify that the daughters of man were good. Contrast that generation with that of Naamah (Genesis 4:22), which means beautiful, at a time when you can have anything, of which Marylin Monroe is iconic. Therefore, the creation of Giants Without SEX is a viable concept and is probably happening as we speak. Im Paul D. who wrote the post immediately above, please distinguish between me & the other Paul who posted in #s 1 & 2 above. Paul says WHY 40? I once read where Jerome wrote to a female parishoner that he wanted to see repentant tears in her hollow cheek, which to me is a red flag that these fallen angels or watchers were perhaps religious figures who conspired to make women subserviant. Nothing but stories that have been passed down since humans drew on cave walls. The waters flooded the earth for 150 days, including the 40 days of rain (Genesis 7:12, 17, 24; 8:1). It is likely that the ark was much larger than these dimensions or the dimensions in the excellent exhibit at Ark Encounter. I would have to agree with commentator Howard # 11, that the book of Enoch was an authoritative source for early Christians. The Tassili-n-Ajjer of 12,000 B.C. It is interesting how the poet John Milton in the first chapter of Paradise Lost chose to name the fallen angels after the gods of Canaan and its environs. The coin dates to the mid-third century C.E. But he believed God. Dont accept counterfeits. We dont know everything that has happened, only what has been revealed to us. It is beleived that the next attempt at plant domestication occured in the region of Gobleki Tepe, so perhaps this is the land of Nod (wandering) that Cain settled in, east of Eden (Genesis 4:16). Why Noah build the Ark in 40 days? Read the first six chapters of Genesis & you will have a good idea of what the real book of Enoch was about, and there is nothing in it about fallen angels & all this other mythology captured within the context of the Noah movie garnered from that phony Enoch book you just made reference to in an attempt to bolster your conclusions for a pre-determined outcome. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and And The two become friends and embarked on an expedition for timber (which, according to Gene B.s comment #24 made Gigamesh a nephilim, or feller) and they kill the guardian of the cedar forest which brings a decree from the gods that Enkidu must die. As the prehistorian Chester Chard has pointed out, since the Middle Paleolithic, many groups were already concentrating on certain types of animals (and probably plants), so all that was needed to develope effective domestication was lots of time for trial and error experimentation and a little luck. If Hollywood can screw up WWII movies, with tons of factual, documented evidence to rely on, what do you expect the celluloid folks to do with a Bible story? I think that is the moral lesson of the rock giants in "Noah.". In Food of the Gods, (p.74) Terrence McKenna raises the possibility that Eden was in the African Sahara as evidenced by the rock art at the Tassili Plateau in southern Algeria: CHAPTER X. Jude 6 says: And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgement of the great day. Also 2 Peter 2:4 says: Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into(Greek) Tartarus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgement. In a New York Times article from September 14, 2008 entitled The Boom in Galaxies After the Big Bang, it speaks of the first generation of stars: These were rare events, but God had given his angels the power to materialize as humans, a power that has evidently been taken away from the angels who sinned. By keeping in conformity with the state-approved religion, people could climb up the social ladder, even if their brains were shaped like bricks and hardened in the oven. God told Noah to build an ark. Noah was perhaps the most unlikely seaman. Some scoff at the Bibles account of how human languages began and spread. Noah made the ARK in 40 days the rains/storm lasted for 40days.The Israelites walked through the desert for 40 days the Tower of BABEL was built in 40 days Jesus Christ fasted for 40days. Grab your bible. 20. 2. Everything on land that needed to breath would die except for those on Noahs ark. FREE ebook: Exploring Genesis: The Bibles Ancient Traditions in Context Embellished fictional thesis masquerading as truth does more harm to promoting the truth than if one simply comports with the clearly posited statements contained within Holy Writ. The English language is much differently constructed than early Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. However, the sons of the true God, referred to at Genesis 6:2, are actually angels Your email address will not be published. 6. Hear, hear, Douglas #47! Did not Enoch live at the time relative to sons of Elohim following their descent?. Ever read much from that book? Summary: Surprisingly a time period of 40 (days, weeks, years) is significant. (see Job 38:7 where angels are called sons of God) who had materialized as humans so they could have their pick of earthly women for obvious purposes. Something to pursude deeper. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. are truly awesome for people knowledge, well, keep up the good work fellows. VI-XI. Soon they will be removed along with the great adversary when Jehovah vindicates His Sovereignty over both heaven and earth. Language, poetry, ritual, and thuoght emerged from the darkness of the hominid mind. JCITWTL follow Him today. CHAPTER XV. The throne of Satan in Revelation 2:13 is the Great Alter in Pergamum, dedicated to Zeus. 22:30, otherwise we have Christ contradicting himself. In ancient Israel, they used clay replicas of goddesses as an inexpensive way to connect to their beliefs. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children. 3. I dont think that the author of the movie script was intending on conveying a truth exactly as recorded in the Bible. Genesis 6:4 the paraphrase says that these former angels had relations with the daughters of men That word relations is incorrect it should be TOOK, as in appropriated as rent a womb: to Clone, creation of an animal life in the womb of host with out sexual intercourse. On the first day of that month, the tops of the mountains could be seen. Genesis 6 makes no mention of rock giantsor fallen angelshelping Noah build the ark. In addition, springs burst forth under the oceans, pouring in more water. Solicitation Disclosure Statement The movie provided me with more truth that it is all fairytales. Dates are in the form of month, day, and Noah's year, as given in the text. Im not particularly interested in the mysticism of cultures preceding that of ancient Israel, I know all too well about such contrivances mixing Mesopotamian culture as events paralleling the Genesis accounts. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralisation of Mankind: the Intercession of the Angels on behalf of Mankind. When Enoch confronts the Watchers about their impending doom, they implore him to intercede on their behalf. So God did not give permission to the wicked angels of Noahs day to take human form nor were they ever forgiven for what they did. Billy Grahams 9/11 Message From Washington National Cathedral. One thing we do know is that pre-flood cultures had the writings of Enoch, so it is not like they had no Bible at all, they had the Book of Enoch & the ministry of Noah. . A Greek inscription depicted on the chests open lid reads the ark of Noah the redeemer. More recently, excavations at the fifth-century synagogue of Huqoq in northern Israel revealed a similar mosaic carpet, also showing the ark not as a boat, but as a wooden chest with legs. This is consistant with Gods explanation to Job about the building material used to construct the earth, when the morning stars sang together, and the sons of Elohim shouted for joy (Job 38:7). Thus, in this context, the vine represented the tree of knowledge that introduces primitive man to civilization while the pristine cedars of the forrest is the tree of life. I know of scripture stating at the fall of certain angels from their first estate who became bound by chains in darkness awaiting judgement, but if they are bound then I feel quite assured they are not out copulating & socializing with other beings, much less humans. (see Job 38:7 where angels are called sons of God) who had materialized as humans so they could have their pick of earthly women for obvious purposes. While we typically imagine Noah building a ship to carry his family and animals, ancient biblical art depicts the ark as a simple wooden box with legs, as in this well-preserved mosaic floor found at the site of Mopsuestia in Turkey. Egyptian hieroglyphs are a great example of figurative picture language or iconography. Seven days later the Flood's rains began (Genesis 7:11). 5 The waters continued to go down until the tenth month. So, whats wrong with just sitting back and enjoying an action-packed, roller-coaster ride with Noah? The Lord commanded Noah to build an ark in which his family and "every living thing of all flesh" ( Genesis 6:19) were saved from the Flood. While we typically imagine Noah building a ship to carry his family and animals, ancient biblical art depicts the ark as a simple wooden box with legs, as in this well-preserved mosaic floor found at the site of Mopsuestia in Turkey. Christ only is the author of all of Holy Writ, anything else, though it may contain a particle of truth, only leads us further from the truth. The earliest depiction of the ark actually comes from the pagan city of Apamea Kibotos, where coins minted during the second and third centuries show Noah and his wife standing inside a box with an open lid. Our design of the Ark was found to carefully balance the conflicting demands of stability, comfort, and strength, including a study of ancient ship-building It was designed as a wooden vessel but constructed as a building for millions of people to experience. The gyrations you two use to get around what the text says is laughable.. 1. 6. 15. The answer has to do with translation. That's all. The exact opposite of Christs clearly worded statements, this is not a fantasy God implores the human race to enjoy. think not that the bible was changed and libraries burnt down? Rain began and lasted 40 days and 40 nights. Not so fast! BGEA is a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Udum is a gift of El, even a present of the Father of Man. Then Keret demands that the daughter of King Pabel be given to him, to which he responds; Return and say unto Keret: Alright, you may have her. Even Homer explains that the leaders of the Greeks and the Trojans armies were very large warriors. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. Chronology of Noah's Time in the Ark. All the above commentary is pedantic and laborious and far too serious by many who take themselves very seriously. 10. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield ten presses of oil. Noah's Ark (Hebrew: ; Biblical Hebrew: Tevat Noa) is the ship in the Genesis flood narrative through which God spares Noah, his family, and examples of all the world's animals from a global deluge. While the original authors of the Pentateuch used distinct Hebrew terms to refer to Noahs ark (tieveh) and the box-shaped Ark of the Covenant (aron), the Hebrew Bibles Greek translators, who began their work in the third century B.C.E., used a single Greek word, kibotos, meaning an enclosed wooden container used to store valuables, to refer to both objects. For no very good reason (probably). In the book, Winter Tales by Mark Helprin (not Mark Halperin, the conservative spin doctor), from what I remember from 3 decades ago, begins with the parents who couldnt get through immigration at Ellis Island and place their infant like Moses in a miniature boat which was recieved by Native American Indians somewhere in the marshes of Jersey (apparently they were there in the late 19th century, according to this work of fiction).When he grew up he went to Manhattan and the first thing he did when he saw the painted ladies was perform the foot-stomping mating ritual with extended arms holding a flask of beer and raw fish which none responded to. Everybody heard his predictions of destruction. The generations so soon after creation, living in an ideal environment with long life spans, were no doubt intelligent and capable. The director of this misleading film is a reknown atheist. This Enoch book you are so fascinated with is not the same book scribed by Enoch son of Jared. Elohim: =sent, = the, and = strong right hand: means: magistrates, angles, army, or Host =Owthtzv= : = . Maybe it will stir them read the bible and get the real account, and get saved ultimately. So the idea of the ark being a box shape is probably correct albeit WITHOUT legs! Billy Graham.). In Genesis 11:7, it is Yahweh who says, let us go down and confound their speech, so that it is not improbable that divine beings need to go down in order to intervene in earthly affairs. Standing stones seeming to represent gods are all over, the earliest without faces. Of course this is not the only time angels took on human flesh. God is starting near His ark today. I was really disappointed in this movie, I was hoping it would be more factual than it was. Months are calculated at 30 days each. Believed to be the first temple yet discovered, the site was probably in use as a cult center before the temples construction: What gyrations? Factual is a debatable word in this context.. Its certainly a fun ride, but how does the movie compare to the actual story of Noah in the Bible? Movies suck nowadays. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. The book of Genesis does not have one scribe only, it is a book which means beginnings, plural, more than one beginning, each beginning seemingly accounted for by three different scribes, Enoch, Noah & Moses. Thou seest what Azzl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: 7. Today grace comes in the shape of a Cross. Much later after Israelite spies returned from the land of Canaan they compared the giant men in Canaan to the ancient Nephilim of Noahs day. Weve seen the failed social experiments of the Taliban and other spin-off extremist movements that forbid women to work so that the leaders get to pick which ones to marry after denying them education and perpetuating a cycle of poverty. Can the Book of Enoch shed light on Noah the movie? These are their chiefs of tens. In any event, a larger cubit would result in a much larger ark, with plenty of room for the animals, 8 people, and food for all. Point 4 Today men splice DNA to create new attributes in one species from another species. So does ancient biblical art help us answer the question, How did Noah build the ark? It may seem odd, but early Christian and Jewish artists of the early first millennium C.E. That is best wish for all involved, what the devil made for evil, God can turn it for good. he (Jesus) went his way and preached to the spirits in PRISON, who had once been DISOBEDIENT when the patience of God was waiting in NOAHS DAYS, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people,that is eight souls, were carried safely through the water. (1 Peter 3:19, 20), Then the SONS OF GOD (ANGELSSEPTUAGINT) began to notice the DAUGHTERS OF MAN , that they were good looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose. I simply choose to pick the Genesis accounts recorded in Bible as the clarification of pre-flood events & not the other way around. Noah chopped down trees to build an enormous ark on dry landfar from any oceanbecause God was going to send a great flood. How foolish to build an ark on dry ground with the sun shining and life moving forward as usual! And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. He wants to lift them up out of the turbulent waters and set them on higher ground. According to Islamic tradition, Allah sent the flood in response to human sins. The Most High (Elyon) fixed the boundaries of peoples according to the number of the sons of God (El). For more on Hollywood movies, read Excruciating Exodus Movie Exudes Errors, The Gods of Egypt Movie: A Mess of Anachronisms and Exoticization and Blending into One: The Left Behind Movie, the Book of Revelation and the Rapture.. They were no longer in heaven as spirits.. And Azzl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures.