Much higher stall speeds and prone to spinning. As a trainer it's considered too "hot" by most because While it seemed a dramatic risk at the time, the AA1s unusual bonded-aluminum structure has proven to be a good choice. Already a member? [1][2][3][4][5][6], The prototype first flew on July 11, 1963, and featured folding wings for trailering and ease of storage. trainer, helping students develop more high-performance skills. Based at Henderson, NV (KHND). 3. to remove the nose bowl cowling, it means removing the propeller New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. First flight was on March 25, 1970 and 470 AA-1As were built in 197172. Max cruise, 74% power (2,700 rpm) at 5,000 ft: 112 kts. home. Many things I've read also state that the AA1B is not nearly as forgiving as a 150 (You must log in or sign up to reply here. At the heart of both matters are the aircrafts limited utility and decidedly un-trainer-like handling qualities. Horsepower: 1 x 150 HP. Make sure that landings are mains first and not on the nose. Most modern AA1's are going to be nose heavy. 8+ All plastic in excellent condition. AA-1B Trainer and TR-2 Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Pedals2Paddles, Oct 8, 2014. Keep the plane in ground Unfortunately, you are almost obliged to purchase one of the auxiliary tank mods (which add about 10 gallons total), further eating into the useful load. for approved maneuvers. For example, the redesign of the AA-1B into the AA-1C by Gulfstream involved wider-span elevators and horizontal stabilizers that produced better longitudinal stability, but were no longer interchangeable with the rudder and fin. the mains stay on the ground while the airspeed builds. The US Aviator Magazine Home Page!!! Santa Rosita State Park, under the big 'W', N Central FL and GTC Bahamas when off work, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. I cruise at 135 kts burning about 8 gph (or 140 kts @ 9 gph). for buying should always include a good prepurchase inspection by a qualified ). Pilots in Europe to acquire the type include those resident in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. SP-ASEL (tailwheel) Luscombe 8A FlyingForFun Posts: 509 Most people are used to the pathetic dumptruck handling and performance of 172/182 where the yoke has several inches where nothing happens and the rudder pedals are basically there for show and the plane can just (sometimes) barely squeeze out 130 KTAS. damaged by people putting pressure on them. Mysteries Of Flight: The Curious Case Of Pan Am Flight 914, Fond Farewell to a Titan: The Antonov An-225. The differences between the AA-1B and AA-1C include engine, enlarged tailplane, and twin shock absorbers in the nose gear. if it really was); it wasn't designed for long cross-country. The straight AA1 (as opposed to the A, B, and C models that followed) remains the fastest of the bunch, even though the AA1C received a more powerful, 115-hp engine. Diamond. 1. STC SA789NW 180HP Conversion with Cowl Flaps I briefed him on the W&B points made here to carefully verify it all. out of anything with less than 2000' of hard surface to run on. The engine can turn 2700 with no problem, and 2800 for takeoff. Some older AA1s have had newer The Grumman light aircraft line was then acquired by Gulfstream Aerospace in 1977 who formed it into their light aircraft division, Gulfstream American, in Savannah, Georgia. Maybe the Yankee isn't as "hot" as some want you to believe? strip for fuel. For its high cruise velocities, the AA1 pays dearly in climb performance. Sliding A truly awful plane that creates sloppy pilots. heading down the runway in your own two-seat plane - bubble effect until 80 mph is reached and you have a decent climb. Any thoughts on the safety of the AA-1B/C? In my experience, that's rather on the light side of what real AA-1B's weigh, which is more like 1050 lb empty. PERFORMANCE: Top mph 144. mechanic. I think this would be an ideal airplane for me but I'm concerned that it might be more risk than is necessary. So while the Yankee might not be able to get you all the way back to 1968, youll at least have a huge amount of fun trying. loose. runway that has about 1.5 times the takeoff distance over a 50' obstacle. There is also an AD on the engine oil pump at 2000 Plane and Pilot builds on more than 50 years of serving pilots and owners of aircraft with the goal of empowering our readers to improve their knowledge and enthusiasm for aviation. closely. brick if you let it. tarmac, the full canopy sure heats up the cockpit. Plus, when you get into those tight parking spots all you do is taxi in, are on a long torque tube. a big thing, but more labor costs. If that number comes from the aircraft's actual W&B, I'd dig into the records to confirm no errors were made. Disclaimer: Information on this site may not be accurate or current and is not valid for flight planning or any other aircraft operations. Just make sure there aren't an unusual amount of cracks. Gaining useful load, a few knots, and the pluses listed above. The company designated the redesigned aircraft the AA-1 Yankee Clipper. Beautiful Grumman AA-1B with 0 time overhauled engine and 0 time overhauled prop . It really turns into a dog in climb. The AA1B has a basic useful load of more than 450 pounds. An oil cooler became standard with the AA1C, but it can be retrofitted to the earlier models. from separation. Roll down the If that's the case, make sure they have the additional dorsal Takeoff distance (50) 1,590. With a maximum gross weight of 1,500 pounds on all but the last models, and a typical empty weight of 1,050 pounds, the full-fuel payload is less than two FAA-typical 170-pounders, without a single speck of baggage. canopy, chemgeek, Aug 3, 2020 #8 Tantalum Final Approach Bruce's cover and cowl plugs. Also, the AA1 carries the often dubious distinction of being one of the least expensive airplanes around. While not great, it beats the rest of the AA1 lineup by 50 to 90 pounds. It would be used for time building. 2. Due to the use of a non-tapered tubular spar, which doubled as the fuel tank, and the lack of wing washout, the wings could be exchanged left and right. Roll the direction you want to Prop type and Hours: Sensenich 74DM6-0-64 Reason for sale: Underused Viewing Location: Cape Town, South Africa. 1 - 7 . The fin and horizontal stabilizers were interchangeable, as were the rudder and the elevators. Collapsible tow bar. Start your free trial today! It didn't have a transponder and it didn't have good paint, but E-Mail Simplicity is the word. But if you think Check the baffling. Cruise speed just a hair above 100kts true. No damage. Every time I fly my airplane with two people I am over weight and have never had an issue. It requires plenty of speed to get off so don't pull it off early. If the aircraft is a big engine conversion you are really in for It has a wingspan of 24'. Cessna. The concept is, again, simple. to the Good Stuff!!! Low stability and high stall speeds 60 knots clean and 57 knots with full flaps combine to make the AA1 wholly unlike the Cessna 150 in the traffic pattern. Most pilots know the airplane as the Yankee but it went through a stop drilling. Nice flying truck, but it is a truck. It had (and still has) a youthful kick something precocious and spunky. That company division completed a major redesign of the AA-1B, resulting in the AA-1C. Piper. Others went to Australia, Canada, Dominican Republic, New Zealand and South Africa. I cruise at 135 kts burning about 8 gph (or 140 kts @ 9 gph). full and the right gauge went under empty.) The Yankee and its four-seater siblings, the AA-5 series, feature a unique bonded aluminum honeycomb fuselage and bonded wings that eliminate the need for rivets without sacrificing strength. fin and all the paperwork. The nose gear on the early AA1 needs to be changed to the AA5 nose gear for was traded for a Lycoming O-235-L2C that developed 115 hp. The aircraft is cute, usually painted (from the factory) in bright, unusual Keep the speed up and keep the power on to keep the Yankee The AA-1B trainer (TR-2 personal aircraft) continued until 1976, with 680 AA-1B produced after Grumman bought American Aviation in 1971. close! that it likes pavement and it likes runway. Lycoming O-235s may be thrifty but they also run hot. and the Yankee model continued through 1971. This airplane is certificated in the normal and utility category. fast and fun. That's the way I flew mine. Big engines should The aircraft was designed purely to fill the role of a personal transportation and touring aircraft and not a trainer, but many of the early production models were purchased by flying schools. I bought mine cheap. The nosewheel is a castering The little Lycomings are durable, but they wont stand for neglect. The real "rush" a pilot gets is from how much he enjoys flying. I've read that spins can quickly become unrecoverable, so don't. More comfortable in room and turbulence. Most insurance companies will require about ten hours dual before they If you're looking at the manufacturer's old "standard" specs, be advised that in the mid-70's when the AA-1B was built, "standard" was bare-bones stripped (no radios, no gyros, no nothing beyond what 91.205(b) requires for day VFR), and the average plane went out the factory door 50-75 lb heavier than "standard". Just watch the weight. But lets get to the good news first. [1] Overall, 1820 AA-1 family aircraft were built between 1969 and 1978. Performance data and specificationsfor American Aviation, Grumman American, Gulfstream Aerican and and AmericanGeneral light aircraft. The AA1 structure is unique On hot days or with high density altitudes you can forget it though. Join Us | Member Benefits |News| Events |Contact Us. TKM MX11 Comm [1][5], The Grumman light aircraft line was then acquired by Gulfstream Aerospace in 1977 who formed it into their light aircraft division, Gulfstream American, in Savannah, Georgia. USA's Fuel gauges (in the form of sight tubes) have very little failure, "springy" nose gear looks neat, turns neat and bounces really high. This is the only 180HP AA1-B ever STC'd. to set the aircraft apart. It was marketed in two versions, differentiated by the avionics fitted and the external trim package. of spins. Sounds like the Grumman, not so much. In terms of cruise speed, the AA-1 is the class of its class. Whatever the negative results of the design, the aircraft is fun if flown (There was an AD to put a colored marker in It's common sense that doesn't take an AYA PFPI to understand. [1][4][5][6], All the AA-1s, AA-1As and AA-1Bs were powered by the Lycoming O-235-C2C low-compression engine designed for 80/87 avgas, which produced 108hp. 1975 Grumman American AA-1B for sale N1444R is no longer for sale on Hangar67. Or you can drop in an O-320 of 150 or 160 hp. Similar Aircraft for Sale 1969 Grumman American AA-1 Yankee 1978 Grumman American AA-5B Tiger 1976 Grumman American AA-5B Tiger 1975 Grumman American AA-5 Traveler 2007 Cirrus SR22-G3 Turbo 1980 Cessna 310R 2009 Cirrus SR22-G3 Turbo 2014 Cirrus Modifications included a 108-hp engine (instead of the original 65 hp), While this did tame the AA-1's sharp stall, it also reduced the cruise speed compared to the original AA-1 by 10 mph. Be honest with your ability and experience. 1977 saw the biggest changes. While it did succeed in making production easier, this design philosophy produced many aerodynamic compromises in the design. by knowledgeable pilots. STC SA5987SW Fairing Speed Kit Much appreciated. A Cessna 150 has a span of 32'! I must admit that if it wasn't for the high winds and only myself on board have the fuel tank STCs. The cockpit is small, the speeds are fast, and the canopy is hot. Most modern AA1's are going to be nose heavy. Try to lookinside the cowling and in the cockpit at the construction. instructors who feel the "demanding habits" of the Yankee make it a better While this did tame the AA-1's sharp stall, it also reduced the cruise speed compared to the original AA-1 by 10 mph. Bruce's cowl plugs. leaks. Bede formed a company, Bede Aviation Corporation, based in Cleveland, Ohio, to produce the aircraft, but the BD-1 never entered production as a certified aircraft. The first 1969 models were delivered in the fall of 1968 at a base price of US$6495, a cost notably lower than that of competitive aircraft at that time. the aircraft design - small, quick, fun, fuel thrifty - it - not You cannot overload the plane and then fly safely, no matter where the weight is. Yankee Ingenue The family includes the original American Aviation AA-1 Yankee and AA-1A Trainer, the Grumman American AA-1B Trainer and TR-2, plus the Gulfstream American AA-1C Lynx and T-Cat. We have 7 GRUMMAN/AMERICAN GENERAL AA1 SERIES Aircraft For Sale. Grumman American. A plane that meanders its way through the sky in the general direction of where you want to go, and asking it do anything beyond gentle turns and climbs (like a slip) feels like you're bending metal. What it did offer was cheap flying fun. It was marketed in two versions, differentiated by the avionics fitted and the external trim package. While the real "rush" may be Limbaugh, this rush is the exhilaration Maintain ground effect until you get past 70. The fuel system consists of two tanks with a total capacity of 24 gallons, of which 22 gallons is usable. Compare the AA1A with the Cessna 150 in the specifications at the end It has an O-360-A1A (737 total time since Factory Overhaul) under a one-time STC. The Yankee will sink like the proverbial I own a 182P and love it for what it does. few changes that also changed the model names. or Other changes included adding extended wing tips to improve rate-of-climb, an anti-servo tab on the elevator along with a centering spring system to increase longitudinal stability and stall strips to improve handling during a stall. Every time I fly my airplane with two people I am over weight and have never had an issue. a solid feel with the flaps. The airplane is powered by a horizontally opposed, four cylinder, direct drive, normally aspirated, air cooled, carburetor equipped engine. However, they will not learn the various ownership, maintenance, and operating quirks of the type by doing so (other than the hard way, which is generally a lot more expensive than getting a Grumman-knowledgeable instructor to teach you the plane, including but not limited to how to fly it). Interested in buying this aircraft click here. 5, and 10 fame) as the Bede 1. choice of "trainer" with a climb prop or "sport" with a cruise prop. Get too slow See the airplanes P.O.H. doesn't have an oil cooler (you should put one on) make sure it is inspected bushings on the torque tubes. Resprayed with single stage polyurethane in 2012 . In 1971 American Aviation modified the NACA 64-415 airfoil used on the AA-1's wing, creating the AA-1A Trainer. Astrotech LC-2 Clock/Timer [1], The Yankee was originally designed in 1962 by Jim Bede as the BD-1 and was intended to be sold as a kit-built aircraft. baggage - not really your cross-country aircraft. Complete logs. If you don't have the extended Aircraft Make and Type: Grumman AA1B Year Model: 1974 Airframe Hours: 2600 Engine Type and Hours: 150HP Lycoming 0320 A2B , 320h SMOH, around 1600h left on the engine. It was the only runway pointing into the wind, a wind strong The flight in ground effect included a turn to stay away American Aviation built 459 examples of the AA-1 Yankee Clipper between 1969 and 1971 at their factory in Cleveland, Ohio. Number of transactions last month: . The rest is basic aircraft construction. If the pilot is properly trained on the aircraft and stays within its limitations, data show that it is as safe as any other light aircraft. to have a "push your Yankee backwards" competition without using a tow bar!). It stresses parts, cracks cylinders, creates Pay attention to the airspeed on final, and dont let the airplane land nosewheel first, and itll be almost shamefully easy to get squeakers. When choosing which model to buy, remember that the AA1 models are try to touch down 70 to 75 mph. For the type of flying I do now the C150 is a better fit. This cruise propeller accounts for the increase in top and cruise speed plus about 30 additional miles in total range; however, the Tr-2 suffers in the climb department with a 660-fpm capability compared to the Trainers 705-fpm climb speed. The ailerons and flaps Basically similar to the Trainer in terms of airframe and engine, the Tr-2 was intended to satisfy either the pilot who requires an advanced trainer or a more deluxe sports plane. and look over the installation carefully. to make a go-around right away. for wrinkles or loose spots. [1][3][4][5][6], Grumman bought American Aviation in 1971, renaming it Grumman American Aviation, and beginning in late 1972 sold the 1973 model year design as the Grumman American AA-1B Trainer for school use. I was surprised to be flying along and suddenly have the outer end In keeping with its namesake it was six knots (seven mph) faster than the Traveler with the same 150 hp (110 kW) Lycoming O-320-E2G powerplant. As with all small Grummans, it's castering nose wheel so ground handling is great if adjusted right. The AA-1 had been spin-tested as part of its certification, but in 1973 the FAA issued Airworthiness Directive 73-13-07 ordering the aircraft placarded against spins. The family includes the original American Aviation AA-1 Yankee Clipper and AA-1A Trainer, the. [5], In 1971, American Aviation modified the NACA 64-415 airfoil used on the AA-1's wing, creating the AA-1A Trainer. Yeah, I was referring to the higher stall speed and spin issues. Have you Most insurance companies want a in cruise often see the elevator trimmed in level flight to be flying down. If I was going somewhere the AA1 would be my choice. American Aviation, by then Grumman, quickly saw that the Yankees quirky handling qualities were hurting sales and set about designing fixes. The original Yankee, running with all the gusto a 108-horsepower Lycoming O-235 can muster, turns in outstanding cruise speeds. advance the throttle, and wait for the "rush." Get extra lift from AOPA. the higher the price, the more stuff to play with. [3][4][9], The original American Aviation AA-1 Yankee developed a poor reputation for safety in its first years of production (196971). [1][5][6], Data from The American Trainer Owner's Manual[8], Aircraft of comparable role, configuration, and era. You take a plane that was originally equipped with basic VFR instruments, add an oil cooler, transponder, second radio, audio panel, intercom, ADF, oil filter, and associated gauges all in front of the CG and it's going to be nose heavy. Back-up vacuum system. We were looking at the W&B numbers yesterday. The The Lynx was targeted at private owners while the T-Cat was the flying school trainer. What a I understand the AYA has a transition program that I would definitely take advantage of. The SDRs show mainly problems with brakes and other accessories although one relates an engine failure thanks to a broken exhaust valve. Aerodynamic mods and various retrofits are available, but the really popular products are the engine swaps. turn final when appropriate, trim for 70 to 80 mph. Copyright 2023 Sandhills Global | Reproduction without expressed written consent is forbidden. 6. 22 gal, which should mean a range of about 4.4 hours at 5 gph. (A bit of trivia: Lycoming says that The AA-1C received a new larger horizontal tail and other significant improvements, including a 115 hp Lycoming O-235-L2C high-compression engine designed for 100LL fuel, which brought the cruise speed back up to that of the original 108 hp Yankee. That leaves 183 lbs for passengers and That means at least 2100' of runway for the AA1 (takeoff over 50 is 1400'). This is a time when more is better. [5], The type certificate for the AA-1 family of aircraft is currently held by True Flight Holdings LLC who bought the assets of Tiger Aircraft on August 2, 2007. aircraft have been converted to the 150- or 160-hp engines. The 1973 model was the AA1B, which offered the 1996 Easy flying for the high-performance pilot. External Power Plug Cracks can be slowed by In general, everything about the AA1 series is simple. I wouldn't want to land it over weight but it flys just fine and mine is the original AA1. The last AA-1C was produced by Gulfstream American in 1978. In sheer numbers, the AA1s are barely a blip on the charts compared to the Cessna 150 or even the Piper Tomahawk. It 132 lbs for fuel equals 317 lbs. The 1974 year's production was taken over by Grumman American who were instrumental in producing the AA-1C Lynx and T-Cat in 1977. Owners say this is a good investment. ). STC SA1012NW Aeromod Corp. Auxiliary Fuel 10 gal with Gross Weight increase to 1642 Lb. from the house on the property! "TR-2" redirects here. Patterns are the same, The original American AA1 Yankee Clipper came out in 1969, Scan this QR code to download the app now. An average O-320 Lycoming 150-hp burns Simple Stupid. Major mechanical problems are rare with the AA1s, and the number of service difficulty reports is relatively low. a lot of runway to get in the air. I briefed him on the W&B points made here to carefully verify it all. Market Stats. The Grumman American AA-1 series is a family of light, two-seat aircraft. Bede was ousted and the company was renamed and reorganized as American Aviation. But the handling is just something that really sticks for me. With its ultra-reliable 108HP Lycoming O-235-C2C low-compression engine, docile flight characteristics in the stall and sturdy design, the type has been loved for years, although in less numbers across the world than its Cessna and Piper competition.This . As a result, Bede was ousted by his business partners and the company renamed American Aviation. the pilot was behind the airplane. about powerhouse - 1000 fpm climb with full fuel and two people! pleasure quotient is tremendous. Sign in to continue reading 1971 Grumman American Trainer AA1A By Staff Updated February 22, 2016 Save Article its job. You can opt for higher compression for the earlier AA1s, giving 115 or 125 hp. by Horatio Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:57 pm I know there are certified standard category aircraft that meet the LSA regs (Champ, Cub, Luscombe, etc.) No matter the model, the airplanes in the AA1 series share mechanical simplicity and durability. A weight and balance was done at it's last annual. The type certificate for the AA-1 family of aircraft are currently held by True Flight Holdings LLC who bought the assets of Tiger Aircraft on August 2, 2007. I am typically at pattern altitude well before the end of the runway! [1][3][5][6][9], Some AA-1s have had their original engines replaced with larger 150 or 160hp engines that further increase performance. you get into an oscillation that takes off the gear and/or hits the Bede decided to certify the design under the then-new FAR Part 23 rules and offer it as a completed aircraft. Following are a few things to look for. Avionics Master Dual ANR 12v power jacks Everything's a compromise. The appeal of the AA-1 to schools was obvious compared to the competition, the AA-1 was faster, cost less to purchase and maintain and, most importantly, had more student-appeal with its sliding canopy and fighter-like looks. Im assuming he is referring to the rumors that swirl around that if you get too slow they fall out of the sky and if you get in to spin it is not recoverable. the tube.). Stall is around 64 mph without flaps We now cruise 120ktas on 8.gph, and climb from sea level 1000-1500+fpm at max gross, depending on the conditions. Description. Approach speeds are high; where 55 knots work just fine in the Cessna, youd better not let the AA1 drop below 74 knots, or youll experience the pronounced sink rate for which the Yankee if infamous. Do a few calculations: 185 lbs pilot plus Backing into the hangar Once the AA-1 entered a fully developed spin and exceeded three turns, it was usually not recoverable. 2023 FLYING Media. With a 585lb useful load, we can take full or nearly full fuel in almost all scenarios. require about the same distances, same fuel burn, etc. I wouldn't call it much higher. Grumman aircraft Traveler Cheetah Tiger Cougar aircraft specifications history and performance 9. The new variant was named the AA-5A Cheetah and was introduced as a 1976 model in late 1975. Thanks for dropping by and resurrecting a 2yo thread that no one probably cares about any more! The Yankee, as it was originally called, The cockpit is small, the speeds are fast, and the canopy is hot.
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