John grew up in Luscombes, holds an A&P certificate, and has acquired the breadth of knowledge held by his father. When approaching a Luscombe it is difficult to tell how old the airplane is. But its going to cost you. Im guessing its storm damage. I don't know what prop was on this airplane, but it settled down to about 100 mph indicated at 2450 rpm, and I knew we were burning about 4-4.5 gallons per hour. WebThe airplane has a lot of adverse yaw, when measured by modern standards, but it's about the same as a Champ and easily handled with a little rudder. I got frustrated with how long my restoration was taking on N77885 and did exactly that one calm afternoon. Anybody else notice the 1956 date on the airworthiness certificate. Difficulty in getting production up and running meant that Luscombe was late to the 1946 airplane-selling party and could not cash in as effectively as others, even though it eventually pushed 15 airplanes out the door each day. $2,795; POP: 278. Landing distance (50) 1,540. Sign in to continue reading, By Plane and Pilot Updated November 20, 2017 Save Article. The engine immediately lived up to the skeptics fears as it proved to be cantankerous. They are admired and prized by those who know them well. airworthiness of an aircraft or the current aircraft configuration. Cruise mph 104. The aircraft has a cruise speed of 78 knots and a stall speed of 37 knots. This is a simple stick and rudder plane, one of the guys who worked at the repair station I did rebuilt a ground looped one. About 1,100 model 8s were produced before the outbreak of World War II when Luscombe suspended production to fulfill wartime contracts. The gear is stiff and narrow, yet the rudder is effective, as is the tailwheel. After all, the factory employees had received a practical education in crashworthiness be-cause for several years a major portion of the companys income came from re-building wrecked Phantoms. His is an original 8A with no electrical system. Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association Find it free on the store. The seller notes this example comes with all logs since new. airworthiness of an aircraft or the current aircraft configuration. Empty wt. Yes, sadly, it has already crashed. We crafted our line to include packages to Aircraft just underwent a 15 year restoration and was finished in 2011. Theres a bunch of birds around here that were in a lot worse shape than this one when their restoration was started. This airplane is certificated in the normal category. All flying now. This provided a cheaper and less complex design, and later changes to the vertical and horizontal stabilizers likewise simplified construction and sped production times up. The aircraft is a two-place, high-wing, single-engine airplane, equipped with conventional landing gear. Each aircraft is restored to uncompromising standards and unique specifications of each owner or buyer. The gear is stiff and narrow, yet the rudder is effective, as is the tailwheel. However, salesmen will be salesmen, and Luscombe soon turned his engineers loose on the idea of wrapping a small, all-metal airplane around this engine. I'm a believer in life-long learning, and continuing training for pilots. Ever. He lost control of the company within sixteen months and re-signed in April 1939, never again to be involved with the organization that continued to bear his name. The tail comes up of its own volition, or earlier if motivated by the pilot. Experienced Luscombe pilots recommend taxiing no faster than a brisk walk so as to keep things well under control. On a gusty day in a Luscombe with questionable brakes, the sweating occupant of the left seat may be in full agreement. It failed miserably in the market; only six were sold. Bluntly speaking, the cabin is just plain small by todays standards. Woe may betide the pilot who has an uninformed mechanic who tries to adjust the brakes by pulling on the cables, for that pilot may find nothing when the brakes are most needed. If the airplane is rigged correctly, it does not want to drop a wing; it just pitches down, straight ahead. A Luscombe does not come close to being in that category. It is exciting because of its responsiveness in flight, yet it induces a healthy level of heightened alertness for its demands on the ground. Good times, flying old Fairly large quantities of fuel in the fuselage tend to give most pilots the heebie-jeebies, so the wing tanks are an im-provement, despite the substantial concern Luscombe showed in 1937 for crashworthiness in designing and protecting the original fuselage tank. WebJack Lane's Luscombe 8A 11 - INT - Mystery Plane.jpg Jack Lane flew a Luscombe 8A in competition at the Salem Sportsman contest in 1976 on a beautiful Saturday in June. A Luscombe is a few steps more difficult to keep straight on landing than a Citabria and a few steps easier than a Stearman. ( by watching several ground loop videos, it seems they are coming in too fast) Or subscribe without commenting. Sign up for our free daily email and youll never miss another find: Disclosure: This site may receive compensation when you click on some links and make purchases. The combination of relatively stiff landing gear, fairly narrow gear tread, and effective flight controls means that a pilot who does not position the controls correctly is going to have trouble during landing rollout. Taxiing one in a stiff crosswind is work. To everyones pleasure, the little powerplant became reliable enough to use on an airplane. The 108s had the Franklin 6 cyl. If the nose wanders a degree to the left or right, apply the necessary rudder to bring it back and keep it there. Phone: 833-587-2662. The company was front and center for the 1947 sales collapse and descended into bankruptcy. Sign in to continue reading 1946 Luscombe 8A By Staff Updated February 22, 2016 Save Article 2023 FLYING Media. By 1960 over 5,800 aircraft has been produced by Luscombe Aircraft Corporation and subsequent companies. The airplanes met the rather primitive aerobatic certification requirements of the day. LOW TIME 1940 LUSCOMBE 8A $26,000 ACCEPTING OFFERS UC-90A Paint Scheme N25289, S/N 1195, 2166 TT completely restored starting in 2000, 40 I like the idea of a vintage aircraft as part of any collection of classic automobiles, but dont have the space; if you do, would you consider having this Luscombe 8E in your stable? In cruise the 8E or F will scoot along at a little better than 100 mph on about 5.5 gph. Tall narrow gear and no ailerons. The final models of the 8F were produced by Silvaire Aircraft Co. between 1946 and 1960 when their production was discontinued permanently. Its an interesting alternative to a Cessna of the same era, and in their day, Luscombes were fairly advanced aircraft. Difficulty in getting production up and running meant that Luscombe was late to the 1946 airplane-selling party and could not cash in as effectively as others, even though it eventually pushed 15 airplanes out the door each day. In 1955 the type certificate was sold to an organization in Colorado. Perhaps that is because Luscombe was the first to completely enclose the engine within a cowl, a feat of development at a time when Aeronca and Piper were still cooling flat engines by leaving the cylinders out in the breeze and hoping for the best. The combination of relatively stiff landing gear, fairly narrow gear tread, and effective flight controls means that a pilot who does not position the controls correctly is going to have trouble during landing rollout. Tame compared to a Pitts S-1. Your feet will MOVE on every take Become a member and get exclusive access to articles, contests and more! The details are the stuff of disagreement even today, but it seems that the type certificate changed hands while money did not, so Larsen kept the tooling. Because more than 50 years have lapsed since most rolled off the assembly line, the idea of aerobatics in the airplane should be approached with extreme caution while contemplating the timeless question: How many times can you bend a tin can? The information contained in this record should be the most current Airworthiness information available in the historical aircraft record. However, this data Mysteries Of Flight: The Curious Case Of Pan Am Flight 914, Fond Farewell to a Titan: The Antonov An-225. I have owned two Luscombes aircraft,Cessnas, pipers,Bellanca and never ground looped one of them. In 1937, Continental Motors approached Luscombe with a new 50-horsepower, four-cylinder, horizontally opposed engine. Maneuvering is precise. I don't really know any different either. Looks like a good project, and a lot of fun to fly around afterwards. The Luscombe 8A is a wonderful tailwheel airplane to fly, but will demand the utmost performance out of a pilot.#luscombe8a #tailwheel #thisoldpilotWebsite: https://www.thisoldpilot.comThis Old Pilot Disclaimer:This Old Pilot is about sharing and exploring flight and the sheer beauty and freedom it can give aperson who takes to the air. They make it clear that they will not tolerate a milquetoast on the stick and rudder but will reward the pilot who truly knows how to operate those devices. They have been the victims of unfairly critical accusations about their ground handling. Now, because they are pushed by ones heels rather than toes, there are those who insist they are a nefarious plot on the part of those who make airframe replacement parts to ensure a steady flow of business. 1949 Packard Super Deluxe Eight LWB Sedan, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkDQBXH02fE, https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Single+Engine+Piston&make=LUSCOMBE&model=8E&listing_id=2315544&s-type=aircraft, Upgraded Small-Block V8: 1971 Plymouth Scamp, Everything Included: 1979 Chevrolet Dually Dual Cab, Affordable Alternative? Production was resumed after the war with allmetal versions of the Silvaire, the 8E and 8F. Once in the air the pilot discovers that the Silvaire has crisper handling than its tube-and-fabric brethren. No one has been able to explain it to me but a nose-gear naturally wants to move straight forward. Luscombes Model 8 Silvaire first appeared in 1937, and the first 50-hp production models were on the market in 1938. The 8A seats up to 1 passengers plus 1 pilot. Runup takes only moments: Move the stick about to check the ailerons and elevators (after taxiing, the pilot should know if the rudder is properly attached), check the mags and carb heat (on some models the manual recommends landing and taking off with full carburetor heat), scrutinize the engine gauges, set the elevator trim, set such gyros as are installed, and line up with the runway. The wing tips look OK, left horizontal stabilizer leading edge is banged in addition to the damaged vertical stabilizer so ground loop is out. He never went into production; rather, he overhauled, rebuilt, repaired, modified, obtained STCs for, and upgraded Luscombes from around the world. Once in the air the pilot discovers that the Silvaire has crisper handling than its tube-and-fabric brethren. Recovery is conventional and only requires the pilot to reduce back pressure on the stick rather than shove the nose down. The journey to restore this would be a busy one, mostly with getting it to comply with the FAA. WebThe 8A is equipped with a Continental A-65-8 engine. The tailwheel is in clear view and should be examined carefully, for tailwheels have been known to break off. My first plane was a Cessna 150 purchased in a like disassembled condition. Rotation speed is about 55 mph. I knew a guy who converted his Tri-Pacer into a Pacer (dont ask me why). Just updating the panel will cost most of what this old bird is worth. With a full fuel load, the maximum allowable weight in the cabin is only about 400 poundsa motivator, combined with the space available, to keep pilots from becoming too portly. Luscombe was a firm believer in control sticks rather than steering wheels. TTAF 2993.9. I think a Taylorcraft has to be an eye-opening experience in the same vein. The handling of a Luscombe on landing has to be put in perspective. info@luscombeair.com. They landed sideway with a drift and it did not ground loop. The next day he joined other competitors in flying a local air show; Giles Henderson in his clipped wing cub, Herb Cox flying his Drunk Farmer Stole a Cub routine, Jerry Spear The cowling opens to allow contemplation of the wonders within. Speaking of which, the engine could be a Franklin, same outfit that supplied engines to Tucker. Here are some of the specific's: Year: 1946 Engine: C-65 with 112 Hours Airframe: 1,400 Wind Generator Please post more of them. As in a Greek tragedy, just as Don Luscombe reached his goal of mass-producing all-metal airplanes, the continuing effects of the Depression, constant lack of capital, and his financial shenanigansincluding failure to repay loans and creative use of stockcaught up with him. He says that even crosswinds are manageable, thanks to its effective ailerons. Start your free trial today! How's that for fuel economy? As World War II wound down, Luscombe moved its factory to Garland, Texas, and decided to resurrect the basic 8A. Sometimes a tail-SKID like the real early planes used was better. The power-on or departure stall demands that the ball be kept in the center, or the airplane will roll briskly and drop the nose sharply at the break. Continental A65-8, 2840 TTSN, No Electrical or Transponder, They exist because of the determination of an affable scalawag to create and mass-produce all-metal airplanes. on BFs)Nothing to be afraid of? The original mechanical disc brakes mostly have been replaced by either Goodyear units that are acceptable but frightfully expensive, or Clevelands, which are very good indeed. Those who have sat in the new Renaissance Luscombe and experienced the magic that John Larsen did to the interior are astonished that what had been cramped confinement is now far more comfortable. The handling of a Luscombe on landing has to be put in perspective. Climb rate for the 8E and 8F was claimed to be 800 feet per minute. Same aircraft.I However, this data alone does not provide the basis for a determination regarding the. My dad bought a Luscombe 8A a few months ago but I finally got the chance to fly in it today with him when he came to help me work on the Venture. Taxiing one in a stiff crosswind is work. While it may be nothing but showmanship, the Silvaire can make a good pilot look very good and let the pilot flying it have a ball. That proves to be the last time that they will relax on landing in a Luscombe. WebLUSCOMBE 8A. I have been flying tail draggers since 1954. The renamed Model 8 emerged from its brief gestation, someone spun the propeller, and it flew on the propitious date of December 17, 1937. WebThe New Luscombe LSA Model 8 Thoughtfully designed to incorporate modern equipment with the look and feel of the Classic Model 8. Luscombe aficionados point with pride to the numerous pictures of the airplanes with 16 to 20 people perched atop the wing. As World War II wound down, Luscombe moved its factory to Garland, Texas, and decided to resurrect the basic 8A. Total Time Aircraft: 1068 hours. Contents 1 Background 1.1 Dallas, Texas 1.2 Chandler, Arizona 1.3 Gilbert, Arizona 1.4 Famous Owners 2 Variants 3 Specifications (Silvaire 8-F) 4 See also 5 References 6 External links Remember, Dave, there are two kinds of pilots who fly taildraggers: those who have ground-looped and those are GOING to. I read all the accident reports in Flying mags and others. Full stall and wheel landings are a little deceptive in a Silvaire. Read more about avoiding scams and protecting your money. Recovery is conventional and only requires the pilot to reduce back pressure on the stick rather than shove the nose down. Nope. With appropriate equipment it is a passable IFR airplane, although range and en-durance can be a little short when trying to reach an alternate. Continental A-65-A total time: 1068, SMOH 21 hours. Most Luscombes now have 12.5-gallon fuel tanks in each wing, converting to the style of the later marques and away from the original 14-gallon tank behind the seat. ( minimum altitude, I think) I like the quick disconnect wings. One of my favorites. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by Grum.Man, Apr 8, 2017. No need to do it alone. WebThe Luscombe 8 was designed by Donald Luscombe and flown for the first time in 1937. Plane and Pilot expands upon the vast base of knowledge and experience from aviations most reputable influencers to inspire, educate, entertain and inform. Its way more fun than Trade-A-Plane! About 1,000 Silvaires were built between the first part of 1938 and the early months of 1942. A Bellanca Citabria is considered an easy tailwheel airplane to handle on landing. N1005K (1946) N1013K (1946) N1015K (1946) N1029K (1946) N1034K (1946) N1035K (1946) N1040K (1946) N1042K; N1045K (1946) N1046K (1946) N1057K (1946) N1064K PERFORMANCE: Top mph 110. On a gusty day in a Luscombe with questionable brakes, the sweating occupant of the left seat may be in full agreement. At the time, the company president and largest stockholder turned out not to be a U.S. citizen, but an Austrianwhich did not endear the company to the Army in the wake of the Anschluss. Just remember, Dave, you can fly a Wright farther than you can ship a Pratt. 2017-2021 LUSCOMBE AIRCRAFT CORPORATION. https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Single+Engine+Piston&make=LUSCOMBE&model=8E&listing_id=2315544&s-type=aircraft. List of aircraft registered in the United States with the manufacturer and model designation of LUSCOMBE 8A, ordered by tail number. It also developed the 8E and 8F with electrical systems and 85- and 90-hp Continentals, respectively. PAPI Price Estimate (as of June 1, 2022): A properly leaned Silvaire generally has greater endurance than its pilot, simply because of the small cabin. 1946 Luscombe 8A. Initial climb rate 900. They are admired and prized by those who know them well. Have all logs. This 1947 Luscombe 8E is no different, and its located in Maine after having not known flown since 1977. Don Luscombe worked much of his adult life to develop and market an all-metal airplane, fighting almost constant financial crisis in the process. A properly leaned Silvaire generally has greater endurance than its pilot, simply because of the small cabin. Aircraft.com is the leading registry for planes, jets, and helicopters. It managed to sell about 80 8Fs before collapsing in 1960. Even at the climb speed of 72 mph, the airplane answers control inputs nicely. The newest member of the fleet: A 1946 Luscome Silvaire. His had the typical wrinkle in the skin aft of the main gear showing a hard landing or two. Maneuvering is precise. Start your free trial today! The brakes are actuated by independent floor pedals that were a marvel of innovation in their time. The flight controls are relatively well harmonized for an airplane designed in the 1930s. Returning to the field for landing, plan on using carburetor heat when the power is reduced, then slow the airplane to about 65 to 70 mph on finalor slower if flying one with flaps. One of my airplanes is a Stinson 108-2 that is superior in every way except it is fabric and requires a hanger for storage. He dropped progressively larger engines into the tough, diminutive airframes until, by the late 1960s, 150-hp stud brutes were rocketing off of the grass at Larsen Field. Perhaps that is because Luscombe was the first to completely enclose the engine within a cowl, a feat of development at a time when Aeronca and Piper were still cooling flat engines by leaving the cylinders out in the breeze and hoping for the best. Already a member? Plane and Pilot builds on more than 50 years of serving pilots and owners of aircraft with the goal of empowering our readers to improve their knowledge and enthusiasm for aviation. LUSCOMBE 8A $27,000 Reg# N71288 TT: Not Listed Luscombe Silvaire 8A, Only 5 hours since Ly-Con Overhaul. Yes, sadly, it has already crashed. Thanks for including it!!! Location: Sanford NC. if it had been on its back wouldnt the verticle stabilizer be much worse? So, I thought I would toss out some known numbers on this one particular Luscombe 8A with an A-65, Ceconite covered wings and a brand new PMA'd 14 gallon fuel tank. Takeoff distance (50) 1,950. Gaze at them and think fond thoughts, for they can be the Achilles heel of a Luscombe. On a small grass strip four miles south of Henry Fords behemoth B-24 plant at Willow Run, Larsen lived, worked, and quietly became the Luscombe doctor. We crafted our line to include packages to meet all levels of interest, from day VFR to night VFR with a list of features for the most demanding pilot. WebView 15 LUSCOMBE 8 For Sale Single engine piston aircraft with fixed landing gear. While it may be nothing but showmanship, the Silvaire can make a good pilot look very good and let the pilot flying it have a ball. My answer is learn to fly the airplane or leave it in the hanger. For something between $15,000 and $21,000 and the willingness to learn to fly the airplane, the Luscombe can be a most enjoyable personal magic carpet. The tail comes up of its own volition, or earlier if motivated by the pilot. I watched as one attempted a crosswind landing, it got on the ground ok but before getting off the runway, a wing picked up and it flipped sideways. Fairly large quantities of fuel in the fuselage tend to give most pilots the heebie-jeebies, so the wing tanks are an improvement, despite the substantial concern Luscombe showed in 1937 for crashworthiness in designing and protecting the original fuselage tank. While that only proves the airplane is able to withstand negative Gs, it is impressive nonetheless. Yes, a turbine has been hung on a Luscombe. "I was charmed in many ways by the Luscombe - its gleaming, polished-aluminum surface, the great handling, zippy yet economical performance, surprisingly easy landings, and good American hardware.". The type certificate and tooling were acquired by Moody Larsen of Belleville, Michigan, in 1964. The engine rebuild alone will set you back about $15,000. ). Even at the climb speed of 72 mph, the airplane answers control inputs nicely. He dropped progressively larger engines into the tough, diminutive airframes until, by the late 1960s, 150-hp stud brutes were rocketing off of the grass at Larsen Field. Most pilots adjust fairly quickly to this slightly unusual state of affairs. FREE TRIAL Available! The information contained in this record should be the most current Airworthiness information available in the historical aircraft record. Display name: Grum.Man. It is sad, but this Luscombe is good for parts or perhaps a static display. After all, the factory employees had received a practical education in crashworthiness be-cause for several years a major portion of the companys income came from re-building wrecked Phantoms. When Renaissance Aircraft decided to start up the line with a 150-hp version of the 8F, it came to John Larsen and asked him to build the first one. I have seen one plane literally wrapped around another because of high winds. Aircraft is flown regularly so times are variable. Beautiful airplane that flies incredibly well. One of the major design achievements of Luscombe aircraft was the all-metal monocoque wing arrangement, replacing the industry standard of a fabric covering. WebItem specifics 1946 LUSCOMBE 8A TTAF:1068 LIGHT-SPORT AIRCRAFT FOR SALE! Temco took over Luscombe and produced some 8Fs with wing flaps while also building the Swift before throwing in the towel.
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